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		<title>Comment on Early Thoughts of Broken Suffering by aren</title>
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		<dc:creator>aren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i said god damn, god god god damn the pusher man!</description>
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		<title>Comment on First Cause&#8230;and Beyond by Rasing Smart Girls</title>
		<link>http://www.brokedownspirit.com/2010/03/first-cause-and-beyond/comment-page-1/#comment-986</link>
		<dc:creator>Rasing Smart Girls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 15:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Perhaps this seemingly inevitable shell game-that of avoiding present pain by looking to the past and future-is the point of it all… A sad proposition indeed.&quot;

I think there might be some truth to this, and yet I think that some individuals use faith to ENDURE present pain.  I&#039;m thinking specifically about those in horrific situations who use faith to keep hope alive despite un-speakable acts of abuse...in a do-to-my-body-what-you-will-because-my-soul-will-live-on kind of way.  

I also think faith exists in order to negate the truth of our mortality.  It keeps death anxiety at bay if we think something of our essence gets perpetuated beyond the grave, instead of just being reabsorbed into the universe.  I don&#039;t bank on that.  I simply want to be remembered as long as people I love are alive...and if my writings would persist after that....that would be a bonus, but it&#039;s not essential.

Actually, I don&#039;t have a problem with that (re-absorption)...in fact, I think we should skip the embalming step and burial in boxes and just be laid in dirt where the decomposition would happen faster.   

But...would I want to teach my daughters my personal feelings? Not until I think they can handle it.  In the interim, we take them to a church that really doesn&#039;t push misguided or downright twisted theology - but &quot;treat others kindly and compassionately&quot;, &quot;help where you can&quot;, &quot;think of others first&quot; - and none of this &quot;you&#039;re going to hell to endure the eternal flames of hell (misinterpreted theological myth if you ask me) if you don&#039;t do as we say&quot; business that I got growing up in the Catholic church.

And all that being said, I still think that perhaps there may be a slight chance my friend Barb&#039;s essence knows I still drink from her coffee cup, and blog about her from time to time, and tell my friends about her, and that she knows she meant a great deal to me while she was alive.  I&#039;ve dreamt about her a few times since she&#039;d died in 2002.  Speaking of which, I&#039;m over-due for another dream.

Casey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Perhaps this seemingly inevitable shell game-that of avoiding present pain by looking to the past and future-is the point of it all… A sad proposition indeed.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think there might be some truth to this, and yet I think that some individuals use faith to ENDURE present pain.  I&#8217;m thinking specifically about those in horrific situations who use faith to keep hope alive despite un-speakable acts of abuse&#8230;in a do-to-my-body-what-you-will-because-my-soul-will-live-on kind of way.  </p>
<p>I also think faith exists in order to negate the truth of our mortality.  It keeps death anxiety at bay if we think something of our essence gets perpetuated beyond the grave, instead of just being reabsorbed into the universe.  I don&#8217;t bank on that.  I simply want to be remembered as long as people I love are alive&#8230;and if my writings would persist after that&#8230;.that would be a bonus, but it&#8217;s not essential.</p>
<p>Actually, I don&#8217;t have a problem with that (re-absorption)&#8230;in fact, I think we should skip the embalming step and burial in boxes and just be laid in dirt where the decomposition would happen faster.   </p>
<p>But&#8230;would I want to teach my daughters my personal feelings? Not until I think they can handle it.  In the interim, we take them to a church that really doesn&#8217;t push misguided or downright twisted theology &#8211; but &#8220;treat others kindly and compassionately&#8221;, &#8220;help where you can&#8221;, &#8220;think of others first&#8221; &#8211; and none of this &#8220;you&#8217;re going to hell to endure the eternal flames of hell (misinterpreted theological myth if you ask me) if you don&#8217;t do as we say&#8221; business that I got growing up in the Catholic church.</p>
<p>And all that being said, I still think that perhaps there may be a slight chance my friend Barb&#8217;s essence knows I still drink from her coffee cup, and blog about her from time to time, and tell my friends about her, and that she knows she meant a great deal to me while she was alive.  I&#8217;ve dreamt about her a few times since she&#8217;d died in 2002.  Speaking of which, I&#8217;m over-due for another dream.</p>
<p>Casey</p>
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		<title>Comment on Weird People by Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.brokedownspirit.com/2010/03/weird-people/comment-page-1/#comment-832</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 07:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Divorce almost always causes more problems than it solves.&quot;

Sadly, as I&#039;m about to see my father for the first time in 29 years this summer, I do know the pain of this first-hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Divorce almost always causes more problems than it solves.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sadly, as I&#8217;m about to see my father for the first time in 29 years this summer, I do know the pain of this first-hand.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Weird People by Broken Too</title>
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		<dc:creator>Broken Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Divorce almost always causes more problems than it solves.

Certainly intellectualism can--and does--coexist with &quot;sensualism.&quot; Just like ALL of the other facets and nuances of the human experience. The struggle that I face is recognizing and declaring the &quot;mixture&quot; that is representative of my own Self.

As for Russell, I have read &quot;Marriage and Morals&quot; and &quot;The Conquest of Happiness&quot; and bits and pieces of other of his works. He is definitely a &quot;challenger.&quot; [But probably a bit too logical for most of my contemporaries.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Divorce almost always causes more problems than it solves.</p>
<p>Certainly intellectualism can&#8211;and does&#8211;coexist with &#8220;sensualism.&#8221; Just like ALL of the other facets and nuances of the human experience. The struggle that I face is recognizing and declaring the &#8220;mixture&#8221; that is representative of my own Self.</p>
<p>As for Russell, I have read &#8220;Marriage and Morals&#8221; and &#8220;The Conquest of Happiness&#8221; and bits and pieces of other of his works. He is definitely a &#8220;challenger.&#8221; [But probably a bit too logical for most of my contemporaries.]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Weird People by Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um I was only kidding about the divorce...btw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um I was only kidding about the divorce&#8230;btw</p>
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		<title>Comment on Weird People by Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But every day i see the power of belief. Every time i focus on something positive and train my subconscious mind to desire things of love and what i perceive to be goodness it happens. Every time I pray to whatever god i’m praying to–or rather recite meaningless words to a figment of my imagination–I feel something.&quot;

That&#039;s pretty cool.  I actually do find that to be true as well, at least on the days I make the effort.  

Ask me a different day, and you&#039;ll get the existential cynic in me.  

O, to be one or the other would probably resolve much of my dilemma.

************

But getting back to philosophical thought and relationship, I think I ought to investigate some more of Bertrand Russell&#039;s works.  He is considered to be one of the founders of analytical philosophy and he received the Nobel Prize in literature, and co-wrote Prinicipia Mathematica.    Unlike Nietzsche, he was married, what...4 times?  See what he has to say about the relationship of love in HIS intellectual life:

&quot;At the age of 84, Russell added a five-paragraph prologue to a new publication of his autobiography, giving a summary of the work and his life, titled WHAT I HAVE LIVED FOR.[43]

Three passions, simple but overwhelmingly strong, have governed my life: the longing for love, the search for knowledge, and unbearable pity for the suffering of mankind. These passions, like great winds, have blown me hither and thither, in a wayward course, over a deep ocean of anguish, reaching to the very verge of despair.

I have sought love, first, because it brings ecstasy—ecstasy so great that I would often have sacrificed all the rest of life for a few hours of this joy. I have sought it, next, because it relieves loneliness—that terrible loneliness in which one shivering consciousness looks over the rim of the world into the cold unfathomable lifeless abyss. I have sought it, finally, because in the union of love I have seen, in a mystic miniature, the prefiguring vision of the heaven that saints and poets have imagined. This is what I sought, and though it might seem too good for human life, this is what—at last—I have found.

With equal passion I have sought knowledge. I have wished to understand the hearts of men. I have wished to know why the stars shine. And I have tried to apprehend the Pythagorean power by which number holds sway above the flux. A little of this, but not much, I have achieved.

Love and knowledge, so far as they were possible, led upward toward the heavens. But always pity brought me back to earth. Echoes of cries of pain reverberate in my heart. Children in famine, victims tortured by oppressors, helpless old people a hated burden to their sons, and the whole world of loneliness, poverty, and pain make a mockery of what human life should be. I long to alleviate the evil, but I cannot, and I too suffer.

This has been my life. I have found it worth living, and would gladly live it again if the chance were offered me.&quot;

DAY-um.  So perhaps intellectualism CAN co-exist with sensualism.  Excellent.  Now I don&#039;t have to get a divorce.  Who knew????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But every day i see the power of belief. Every time i focus on something positive and train my subconscious mind to desire things of love and what i perceive to be goodness it happens. Every time I pray to whatever god i’m praying to–or rather recite meaningless words to a figment of my imagination–I feel something.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s pretty cool.  I actually do find that to be true as well, at least on the days I make the effort.  </p>
<p>Ask me a different day, and you&#8217;ll get the existential cynic in me.  </p>
<p>O, to be one or the other would probably resolve much of my dilemma.</p>
<p>************</p>
<p>But getting back to philosophical thought and relationship, I think I ought to investigate some more of Bertrand Russell&#8217;s works.  He is considered to be one of the founders of analytical philosophy and he received the Nobel Prize in literature, and co-wrote Prinicipia Mathematica.    Unlike Nietzsche, he was married, what&#8230;4 times?  See what he has to say about the relationship of love in HIS intellectual life:</p>
<p>&#8220;At the age of 84, Russell added a five-paragraph prologue to a new publication of his autobiography, giving a summary of the work and his life, titled WHAT I HAVE LIVED FOR.[43]</p>
<p>Three passions, simple but overwhelmingly strong, have governed my life: the longing for love, the search for knowledge, and unbearable pity for the suffering of mankind. These passions, like great winds, have blown me hither and thither, in a wayward course, over a deep ocean of anguish, reaching to the very verge of despair.</p>
<p>I have sought love, first, because it brings ecstasy—ecstasy so great that I would often have sacrificed all the rest of life for a few hours of this joy. I have sought it, next, because it relieves loneliness—that terrible loneliness in which one shivering consciousness looks over the rim of the world into the cold unfathomable lifeless abyss. I have sought it, finally, because in the union of love I have seen, in a mystic miniature, the prefiguring vision of the heaven that saints and poets have imagined. This is what I sought, and though it might seem too good for human life, this is what—at last—I have found.</p>
<p>With equal passion I have sought knowledge. I have wished to understand the hearts of men. I have wished to know why the stars shine. And I have tried to apprehend the Pythagorean power by which number holds sway above the flux. A little of this, but not much, I have achieved.</p>
<p>Love and knowledge, so far as they were possible, led upward toward the heavens. But always pity brought me back to earth. Echoes of cries of pain reverberate in my heart. Children in famine, victims tortured by oppressors, helpless old people a hated burden to their sons, and the whole world of loneliness, poverty, and pain make a mockery of what human life should be. I long to alleviate the evil, but I cannot, and I too suffer.</p>
<p>This has been my life. I have found it worth living, and would gladly live it again if the chance were offered me.&#8221;</p>
<p>DAY-um.  So perhaps intellectualism CAN co-exist with sensualism.  Excellent.  Now I don&#8217;t have to get a divorce.  Who knew????</p>
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		<title>Comment on First Cause&#8230;and Beyond by Broken Too</title>
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		<dc:creator>Broken Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 07:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mmm...Vicki, I don&#039;t know if you were &quot;talking to&quot; Ryan or to me.

If you were referring to MY definition of &quot;faith,&quot; I would say that this piece actually makes no attempt to define faith. Nor do I wish to express any conclusion in regards to faith.

Please feel free to share more on the &quot;broader&quot; definition of faith.

Interesting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmm&#8230;Vicki, I don&#8217;t know if you were &#8220;talking to&#8221; Ryan or to me.</p>
<p>If you were referring to MY definition of &#8220;faith,&#8221; I would say that this piece actually makes no attempt to define faith. Nor do I wish to express any conclusion in regards to faith.</p>
<p>Please feel free to share more on the &#8220;broader&#8221; definition of faith.</p>
<p>Interesting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on First Cause&#8230;and Beyond by Ryan Ange</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Ange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes...yep. But I think you&#039;re right, it&#039;s ultimately incomprehensible. We just know what we know and keep pulling back the layers...and the layers are infinite...but I guess it kind of passes the time mining phenomena...sometimes it&#039;s pretty interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes&#8230;yep. But I think you&#8217;re right, it&#8217;s ultimately incomprehensible. We just know what we know and keep pulling back the layers&#8230;and the layers are infinite&#8230;but I guess it kind of passes the time mining phenomena&#8230;sometimes it&#8217;s pretty interesting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on First Cause&#8230;and Beyond by vicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>vicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great illiteration ryan!  reminds me of some sermons i&#039;ve heard! : )

i think the definition of &#039;faith&#039; is broader than what you have concluded, but based on your understanding of faith, what you pen is consistent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great illiteration ryan!  reminds me of some sermons i&#8217;ve heard! : )</p>
<p>i think the definition of &#8216;faith&#8217; is broader than what you have concluded, but based on your understanding of faith, what you pen is consistent.</p>
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		<title>Comment on First Cause&#8230;and Beyond by Broken Too</title>
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		<dc:creator>Broken Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice thought, Ryan. Yet as &quot;crazy&quot; as I am, I still wonder from whence came &quot;the turtles&quot;...and the concept of &quot;all the way up&quot; and &quot;all the way down.&quot; 

Yes...I get the &quot;making sense&quot; part. That&#039;s what I&#039;m talking about. And we all try to the extent of our desire and motivation to do that...to make sense of &quot;it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice thought, Ryan. Yet as &#8220;crazy&#8221; as I am, I still wonder from whence came &#8220;the turtles&#8221;&#8230;and the concept of &#8220;all the way up&#8221; and &#8220;all the way down.&#8221; </p>
<p>Yes&#8230;I get the &#8220;making sense&#8221; part. That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m talking about. And we all try to the extent of our desire and motivation to do that&#8230;to make sense of &#8220;it.&#8221;</p>
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